Running multiple self-updating websites!

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I have the need to run a large number of dedicated town and city websites – once at full capacity this may be as many as 300 or so sites. Is there a way to build these that will allow for a very large degree of self updating content? My preferred platform is Wordpress. Would like to be able to incorporate local news, deals and offers, what’s on type information, movie listings etc
 
Wordpress + RSS feeds is going to be an absolute cluster@%*# to manage and is only going to be worth it if these sites are going to be autonomous and differ greatly from each other.

Otherwise you are going to be better served by having one single, large, central database that holds everything for all sites and displays appropriately depending on which domain name is being used to view it.
 
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Wordpress + RSS feeds is going to be an absolute cluster@%*# to manage and is only going to be worth it if these sites are going to be autonomous and differ greatly from each other.

Otherwise you are going to be better served by having one single, large, central database that holds everything for all sites and displays appropriately depending on which domain name is being used to view it.

Its building and managing that large central database that bothers me! I need each site to have a single overall look but its own custom local content. What I dont want to have to do is employ a whole team to manage hundreds of different websites in order to keep them updated with the latest conntect and offers and deals from our sponsorship/funding partners!

If possible I would like to find a way for partners to be able to have access to their own little bit of the site to make their own updates and offers! Even if it is only in the form of a banner add!
 
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As Websitehandyman said, it's not difficult - and as Ryan said, one central database is the way forward.

You don't indicate your level of expertise so I'm going with the simplest description, my apologies if I'm teaching you to suck eggs.

You have:

1) A database of content. Each content item can be displayed on one, or many, of your websites. The content might consist of just a title and the page content, or you could embed forms, videos and all sorts using inline editors.

2) A database of styles. There's more than one way of doing this; I would have a table of sites with each entry containing a number of site-specific details (Town name, for example) and a reference to a specific CSS file for styling.

Each website uses the same framework, but gets styling (titles, colours, etc) from the styles table and renders accordingly. The content comes from the content database.

If you have 300 sites and you want to add an article to all of them, your main editors simply add the content once and enable it for all sites.

Each editor can be given permissions to one, all, or a mixture of sites - so you can create editor logins for people who are only responsible for updating one site.

Banner ads and other elements of the sites can be controlled the same way, all from one place. It's quite a simple and common way of doing things; there are plenty of people who'd build you a backend and a CMS, and consult on the best approach (me included).
 
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It iss possible to use one "master" wordpress installation to pull in and aggregate teh content and create categorised RSS feeds that the public sites can use.

The master would be none public facing and provide a single point of management for all data sources.

This approach means the minimum of bespoke coding, it can pretty much be done entirely with freely available extensions though the liklihood is that some customisation is going to be required to get it all running smoothly.

Then the main problem becomes finding the content sources
 
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Have been talking to a large developer about this but cant get him to understand that I want to use Wordpress rather than his CMS as I dont want to be locked in to a system that we have no control over and that we have to keep paying for. Several other developers I - have spoken to have said they will only do it if they host everything on their servers, again not really an option!
 
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There are plenty of free resources out there but you need a fair bit of skill to use them effectively, especially in a complex setup.

You may find the time you spend installing and tweaking your free system is uneconomical unless you're a developer; how much is your time worth?

I would continue to seek a developer - maybe a small outfit, perhaps a freelance coder. Don't accept 'our servers only', if you don't want to. A good outfit will be happy to work with your setup provided it's configured properly.

You should be able to find someone who'll do what you want for a fixed amount but I tend to quote on the basis of scaling because I think it's a sensible way forward these days, especially to risk-averse organisations.

If I were to undertake a development like yours I'd suggest a rate for completion of the basics with a small monthly licence fee (with no tie-in), increasing a bit for each site you have on top, perhaps - or maybe according to traffic, or the amount of ad space you're selling. That way, whatever increases your revenue also increases mine, and if your business shrinks so does your monthly commitment so you're never in for more than you can handle.

I do think there's plenty to be said for the amazing amount of open-source product though.
 
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There are plenty of free resources out there but you need a fair bit of skill to use them effectively, especially in a complex setup.

You may find the time you spend installing and tweaking your free system is uneconomical unless you're a developer; how much is your time worth?

I would continue to seek a developer - maybe a small outfit, perhaps a freelance coder. Don't accept 'our servers only', if you don't want to. A good outfit will be happy to work with your setup provided it's configured properly.

You should be able to find someone who'll do what you want for a fixed amount but I tend to quote on the basis of scaling because I think it's a sensible way forward these days, especially to risk-averse organisations.

If I were to undertake a development like yours I'd suggest a rate for completion of the basics with a small monthly licence fee (with no tie-in), increasing a bit for each site you have on top, perhaps - or maybe according to traffic, or the amount of ad space you're selling. That way, whatever increases your revenue also increases mine, and if your business shrinks so does your monthly commitment so you're never in for more than you can handle.

I do think there's plenty to be said for the amazing amount of open-source product though.

We are looking at a number of solutions for this project including recruiting a development team to build and manage and a day to day basis. In addition to these websites we may end up having to do sites for customers - we did try this a while back and it was an absolute bloody disaster, we ended up well out of pocket - I guess with this many sites it may worth a revisit to see what we can do! We also have about 20 of our own sites.

I don't seem to have much luck with web designers and developers! These people cause me by far the biggest headaches in business, either get ripped off or find the lazy bloody toads who can't be assed to do anything!

I like Wordpress and have a basic understanding of how it works and what can be done (most of the time)

I dont want to be paying monthly fees for anything, and even less on traffic - will be expecting well in excess of 10M visitors per year across the sites once wifi rollout is complete - sites will be town and city guides, all wifi users will be re-directed after signing in!
 
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Steve,

This is easily doable in wordpress. You have one database an multiple installations. Every installation would have the same theme and structure and core pages, the user would have access to 'their' pages. You can upgrade the plugins and whatever using a central dashboard.

It really isn't difficult, just needs some planning and a bit of configuration. Once it is set up all you would need to do manage the new users. I think there is a way to automate this but whoever you choose to do the job can investigate this.

So:
Wordpress Multisite
Multisite Manager Plugin
Multisite Content Manager
New user Registration Plugin
 
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I dont need people to be able to register on these websites! the register on the wifi network - once they have done that they are then re-directed to the their local website.

Want to stick with Wordpress as almost all existing sites are based on Wordpress.
 
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OK got it. Again it's just a plugin you need.

The login is easy. The bit that needs a bit of thought is how to work out which is their local website. The easiest way is an IP look up acting like a DNS but without knowing how your network is setup it's not possible to give a definite answer. But it really isn't a big deal, a single plugin can manage this for you.

Wordpress multisite is the starting point.
 
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OK got it. Again it's just a plugin you need.

The login is easy. The bit that needs a bit of thought is how to work out which is their local website. The easiest way is an IP look up acting like a DNS but without knowing how your network is setup it's not possible to give a definite answer. But it really isn't a big deal, a single plugin can manage this for you.

Wordpress multisite is the starting point.

Our wifi management platform will send users to the right town or city site! We know where the user is because of which wifi access point they connect too!
 
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So if I understand this correctly, the town site will have some specific static content which is the "town guide" and will then also feature some automatically updated content such as news feeds, events guides, local restuarants, attractions etc etc.

Probably worth throwing some adwords on their as well as it could actually add real value for customers and bring in a little cash.

Wordpress would be fine. Wordpress is multi site by default now, no extra plugins needed really just change a line of configuration.

It does sound pretty simple to be honest but I see the challenge being finding the right content sources, not bringing the content in automatically
 
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Exactly, there really isn't anything that can't be done with a standard wordpress install.

You just need to install a few multisite plugins and arrange the 'standard' content and you are ready ro roll.
 
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So if I understand this correctly, the town site will have some specific static content which is the "town guide" and will then also feature some automatically updated content such as news feeds, events guides, local restuarants, attractions etc etc.

Probably worth throwing some adwords on their as well as it could actually add real value for customers and bring in a little cash.

Thats pretty much nail on the head - wont be using Adwords as we have our own OpenX adserver platform(and I hate Google) that we plan to intergrate in to the sites.
 
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